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	<title>Comments on: The Top Ten Classical Compsers Of All Time</title>
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		<title>By: mary jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 04:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan,
 SOS SOS SOS. I am desperately seeking a way to contact the formidable essayist JET DEE to ask her to email me a copy of that outstanding essay she wrote for the Glenn Gould Foundation on the subject of GG&#039;s incredible recording &quot;A Glenn Gould Fantasy&quot;. Dee&#039;s essay was to be found at the GG Foundation site for a while but since the Foundation has been utterly transformed (no comment) her terrific &#039;belated review&#039; is no longer to be found there - it is not even in the Archives. Please help. Desperate.
 I am sending this same message to your email address.
Sincerely,
Mary Jensen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan,<br />
 SOS SOS SOS. I am desperately seeking a way to contact the formidable essayist JET DEE to ask her to email me a copy of that outstanding essay she wrote for the Glenn Gould Foundation on the subject of GG&#8217;s incredible recording &#8220;A Glenn Gould Fantasy&#8221;. Dee&#8217;s essay was to be found at the GG Foundation site for a while but since the Foundation has been utterly transformed (no comment) her terrific &#8216;belated review&#8217; is no longer to be found there &#8211; it is not even in the Archives. Please help. Desperate.<br />
 I am sending this same message to your email address.<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Mary Jensen</p>
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		<title>By: Jet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 02:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Tom,

Indeed, as Mozart is one of my least favourite composers, he is certainly not here.  I am not a big Romantic fan, so same goes for Schubert or Berlioz...same with Tchaikovsky; his music, aside from a few pieces that are sentimental to me, smack of that quality that one could dub &quot;just too much&quot; (at least in my view.  Mussorgsky, however, and crazy as this may sound, to me has always had just the right amount of restraint).  And, although I have a very dear friend who is a descendent of Antonin Dvorak and would therefore hate to offend him, I must admit that I have always found Dvorak&#039;s work to be extremely tedious, really--more of a chore than a pleasure.

On the other hand, I do indeed love Handel and Haydn; they simply just couldn&#039;t crowd their way in, I&#039;m afraid.  As for Mahler, I admire his Second Symphony, but was just never enamoured by the Eighth (which was, arguably, supposed to be his most unbeatable work).  Apart from that, I am largely ambivalent to Mahler and certainly bear him no ill regard.

Des Prez and Cage:  as for the former, he&#039;s extremely underrated and under-represented; as for Cage, he can be a classroom oddity, I suppose, but he was such an important keystone in post-twelve-tone 20th-century music; he was certainly limited in certain aspects, but one reason why I admire him so much was because of his extreme innovation, and his never-ending quest for such.  I don&#039;t know...I&#039;ve always been rather under the impression that Cage is rather fashionable, although my own tastes certainly are not dictated by fashion.

I was very happy to read, despite your disagreement, that you found some  scant scrap of redemption in my list--and for that I am quite grateful.  Thank you, Tom, for your comments.

All the best,
Jet Dee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Tom,</p>
<p>Indeed, as Mozart is one of my least favourite composers, he is certainly not here.  I am not a big Romantic fan, so same goes for Schubert or Berlioz&#8230;same with Tchaikovsky; his music, aside from a few pieces that are sentimental to me, smack of that quality that one could dub &#8220;just too much&#8221; (at least in my view.  Mussorgsky, however, and crazy as this may sound, to me has always had just the right amount of restraint).  And, although I have a very dear friend who is a descendent of Antonin Dvorak and would therefore hate to offend him, I must admit that I have always found Dvorak&#8217;s work to be extremely tedious, really&#8211;more of a chore than a pleasure.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I do indeed love Handel and Haydn; they simply just couldn&#8217;t crowd their way in, I&#8217;m afraid.  As for Mahler, I admire his Second Symphony, but was just never enamoured by the Eighth (which was, arguably, supposed to be his most unbeatable work).  Apart from that, I am largely ambivalent to Mahler and certainly bear him no ill regard.</p>
<p>Des Prez and Cage:  as for the former, he&#8217;s extremely underrated and under-represented; as for Cage, he can be a classroom oddity, I suppose, but he was such an important keystone in post-twelve-tone 20th-century music; he was certainly limited in certain aspects, but one reason why I admire him so much was because of his extreme innovation, and his never-ending quest for such.  I don&#8217;t know&#8230;I&#8217;ve always been rather under the impression that Cage is rather fashionable, although my own tastes certainly are not dictated by fashion.</p>
<p>I was very happy to read, despite your disagreement, that you found some  scant scrap of redemption in my list&#8211;and for that I am quite grateful.  Thank you, Tom, for your comments.</p>
<p>All the best,<br />
Jet Dee.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Mozart? Haydn? Handel? Schubert? I could make a list of the top twenty composers and it wouldn&#039;t include des Prez or John Cage. In the first case, although he was an important and influential composer, how many people listen to his music outside of a college classroom? Come to think of it, the same could be said of Cage. Very original. A thoughtful composer, but his most famous piece is probably 4&#039;33&quot;. Not a great piece of &quot;music&quot;. And how about Mahler, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak? Berlioz? On and on...........By the way, I Stumbled here, and although I disagree with your list you at least got me thinking, so thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Mozart? Haydn? Handel? Schubert? I could make a list of the top twenty composers and it wouldn&#8217;t include des Prez or John Cage. In the first case, although he was an important and influential composer, how many people listen to his music outside of a college classroom? Come to think of it, the same could be said of Cage. Very original. A thoughtful composer, but his most famous piece is probably 4&#8217;33&#8243;. Not a great piece of &#8220;music&#8221;. And how about Mahler, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak? Berlioz? On and on&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..By the way, I Stumbled here, and although I disagree with your list you at least got me thinking, so thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Joe, 

Much as I hate to seem critical, you couldn&#039;t be more wrong; I&#039;m not interested in debating over subjective tastes with people (a practice that I have always disdained as &quot;silly&quot;, myself).  Sorry, but there was no bait for you to take in the first place; the &quot;bait&quot; was a creation of your own misconception and/or ambivalence regarding just how fulfilling the practice of list-making can be.  Additionally, the curator of this blog and I have long been &quot;list aficionados&quot; and as such I believe that we do not require your own subjective approval or disapproval; we merely are who we are.  You probably practice a whole host of activities and habits that I personally might toss off as &quot;silly&quot; or &quot;worthless&quot; to my own tastes, but I would hesitate to make such a pointlessly judgemental and truly unnecessary call; my own subjective opinion of a complete stranger is, really, quite invalid.  In any case, it doesn&#039;t really matter; this list was an exercise in love and pedagogy.  Things we value most in life are far from silly or worthless, but rather sustaining; I was simply sharing views of music that sustains me, in the event that I can further purvey that love and sustenance to others.  The point, if I may state it for the record, is to share beautiful music and recordings that many would otherwise leave undiscovered--not to argue about who deserves the number-one slot, as that is ridiculously competitive and gets accomplishes nothing amongst peers except the perseveration of annoyance.  Have you heard von Karajan&#039;s &quot;Metamorphosen&quot;?  Have you heard Stokowski&#039;s &quot;VerklÃ¤rte Nacht&quot;?  Have you heard Gould&#039;s Beethoven?  No?  Well, THAT was the point which I had thought was rather more than obvious, but which, alas, you misidentified as &quot;bait&quot;--that you might go out and listen to it, and perhaps form your own viewpoints from there.

Regards,
Jet Dee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Joe, </p>
<p>Much as I hate to seem critical, you couldn&#8217;t be more wrong; I&#8217;m not interested in debating over subjective tastes with people (a practice that I have always disdained as &#8220;silly&#8221;, myself).  Sorry, but there was no bait for you to take in the first place; the &#8220;bait&#8221; was a creation of your own misconception and/or ambivalence regarding just how fulfilling the practice of list-making can be.  Additionally, the curator of this blog and I have long been &#8220;list aficionados&#8221; and as such I believe that we do not require your own subjective approval or disapproval; we merely are who we are.  You probably practice a whole host of activities and habits that I personally might toss off as &#8220;silly&#8221; or &#8220;worthless&#8221; to my own tastes, but I would hesitate to make such a pointlessly judgemental and truly unnecessary call; my own subjective opinion of a complete stranger is, really, quite invalid.  In any case, it doesn&#8217;t really matter; this list was an exercise in love and pedagogy.  Things we value most in life are far from silly or worthless, but rather sustaining; I was simply sharing views of music that sustains me, in the event that I can further purvey that love and sustenance to others.  The point, if I may state it for the record, is to share beautiful music and recordings that many would otherwise leave undiscovered&#8211;not to argue about who deserves the number-one slot, as that is ridiculously competitive and gets accomplishes nothing amongst peers except the perseveration of annoyance.  Have you heard von Karajan&#8217;s &#8220;Metamorphosen&#8221;?  Have you heard Stokowski&#8217;s &#8220;VerklÃ¤rte Nacht&#8221;?  Have you heard Gould&#8217;s Beethoven?  No?  Well, THAT was the point which I had thought was rather more than obvious, but which, alas, you misidentified as &#8220;bait&#8221;&#8211;that you might go out and listen to it, and perhaps form your own viewpoints from there.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Jet Dee.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a silly list. A perfect example of why makings lists like this is is a worthless exercise. The whole point, of course, is to spark debate about who should or should not have been included. I&#039;m not taking the bait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a silly list. A perfect example of why makings lists like this is is a worthless exercise. The whole point, of course, is to spark debate about who should or should not have been included. I&#8217;m not taking the bait.</p>
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		<title>By: Jet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan, I would like to address your charge that I should have included Edgar VarÃ¨se or Camille Saint-SaÃ«ns; much as I love the Saint-SaÃ«ns Third--the best recorded version that I have ever heard being the astonishingly little-known 1957 recording by the Detroit Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Paul Paray, featuring the organ work of the delightful Marcel DuprÃ©.  However, being the composer of one or two highly notable works hardly makes one qualified for sharing a list of the Best Composers Ever, who all have long lists of Required Listening appended to their names.  Additionally, as far as VarÃ¨se is concerned, I&#039;ve just never really cared all that much for the later school of French composers (sorry; it&#039;s just a tendency I&#039;ve noticed and has never been anything deliberate).

I would also like to point out--in regards to your wanting of more moderns to satisfy your &quot;20th-century bias&quot;, that the list is also similarly &quot;biased&quot;, if you like--after all, an overwhelming 60% of the composers on this list are men who died in the same century in which we were born.  And one can hardly get more &quot;avant-garde&quot; than Schoenberg, or even Cage.  So there.

Your friend,
Jet Dee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan, I would like to address your charge that I should have included Edgar VarÃ¨se or Camille Saint-SaÃ«ns; much as I love the Saint-SaÃ«ns Third&#8211;the best recorded version that I have ever heard being the astonishingly little-known 1957 recording by the Detroit Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Paul Paray, featuring the organ work of the delightful Marcel DuprÃ©.  However, being the composer of one or two highly notable works hardly makes one qualified for sharing a list of the Best Composers Ever, who all have long lists of Required Listening appended to their names.  Additionally, as far as VarÃ¨se is concerned, I&#8217;ve just never really cared all that much for the later school of French composers (sorry; it&#8217;s just a tendency I&#8217;ve noticed and has never been anything deliberate).</p>
<p>I would also like to point out&#8211;in regards to your wanting of more moderns to satisfy your &#8220;20th-century bias&#8221;, that the list is also similarly &#8220;biased&#8221;, if you like&#8211;after all, an overwhelming 60% of the composers on this list are men who died in the same century in which we were born.  And one can hardly get more &#8220;avant-garde&#8221; than Schoenberg, or even Cage.  So there.</p>
<p>Your friend,<br />
Jet Dee.</p>
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